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[Interested_in_IP]

Hello everyone.....

I am in the process of evaluating IP sytems with a view to installing between 20 - 40 cameras in a retail / commercial application. The two systems I am looking at are a Milestone software system on a local server (not desktop pc) and a Panasonic network recorder with a mix of Panasonic and Axis cameras. Until I spoke to Panasonic I was pretty much set on Milestone + Panasonic / Axis cameras, job done!

However Panasonic raised a few valid arguments for the use of their network recorders plus cameras with SD cards...

1. Windows software is prone to crashing vs stable network recorder, although Windows is pretty stable these days it is still more likely to crash at the least convienant time than a dedicated recorder

2. Network issues / stability / break in transmission - Panasonic cameras with SD cards + Panasonic network recorder will seamlessly recover "lost" transmission unlike Milestone.

3. Cost of Milestone with camera licenses is equal to or greater than the cost of network recorders with low cost software plus you have to add cost of server to Milestone system.

I am looking for some advice or assurances, any experiance of either product etc

Thanks

Mike

[hyperdrinky]

Hi Mike,

With regards to stability, I really can't fault Milestone. We have installed a lot of Milestone systems (largely Basis+ but with a few Professional and Corporate installations) and the reliability has been exemplary. So long as the system is up to date, has decent hardware and has plenty free resources then Milestone really can't be beaten.

I will admit that the SD recording functionality is a great bonus which Milestone can't match. Remember though that Milestone can send you emails when any camera connection is lost, minimizing downtime.

I think the main benefit to Milestone is flexibility. If you purchase 20 licenses and then a week after installation the customer says he wants 5 more you can just add them in, rather than having to purchase an additional DVR. Also, the customer may ask later for Sony cameras, or Mobotix. Milestone supports 78 different manufacturers.

Hyperdrinky

[nw]

I'll just add that with any NVR solution you usually have a finite amount of storage space which ultimately limits the amount of footage which can be captured.

With a Milestone-based system you can add as much storage as you like which makes the system more flexible if you say, want to increase the retention time of your archives from 2 weeks to 2 months or simply if you want to increase the resolution or quality of the images.

An NVR solution is great for non-techs as you don't have to worry about the spec of the PC/Server that you are putting in place, or if the system will be able to sufficiently cope with the number of cameras installed etc. It's just a box that is designed to record up to a number of IP cameras and that's what it does.

A Milestone solution is a more flexible option but it all depends on the installer/end user as to which option we recommend.
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[Interested_in_IP]

Out of interest do you sell both systems?

although I can see that Milestone on the face of it is unlimited you do actually have to pay a camera licence so the cost per camera is not much different than a NVR. The only advantage is that if I have 16 cameras on a 16 channel and want to add a 17th I hav to buy a NVR with 16+ channels rather than just a single licence.

My main concerns are network reliability and possible loss of recording if the network or software crashes.

Out of interest can you record to a panasonic NVR with Milestone? for example if I opted for the Panasonic solution and 2 years later decided Milestone was a better solution could I just sit Milestone on top and record to my Panasonic NVRs???

[Twilo123]

when you say panasonic network recorder is this an appliance with nvr software on it, a regular dvr, or their version of an nvr software.

the recording to sd cards was put in place to offload network resources. typically they record local to sd for 2 main reasons 1. if the network goes offline for some reason they can still keep recording, 2. you can usually schedule the sending of the recording to the main server so that it is not running during peak times. this way bandwidth consumption is kept low especially during times when you need it for other things even if this sits on it's own network.

the higher end ones actually use scsi raid drives for the local storage. Bosch is a good example of this.

onssi uses the milestone recording engine but takes it much further. you may want to check them out if you are going the milestone route. it is milestone on steroids.
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